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Суббота, 20.06.2009 Lead: Yulia Latynina
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...« Julie comment on the dairy War between Russia and Belarus ", - write to me on smskam. I remind you that sms - 985 970-45-45. You know, the essence of the whole story is that we lost Mr. Lukashenko lactic war . Once Lukashenko in response to the words "We will not allow Belarusian milk," said "And we will close your border, so we lost and we had to go back down and sign an agreement with Mr Lukashenko. We lost because the rule violated the basic tactics for constructing the conflict: it is always necessary to do stroke, which may be followed by your side in an even stronger move.
I want to tell a few episodes of Lukashenko. The first dates back to the time Yeltsin, when Russia signed a treaty of alliance with him. The then head of the presidential administration, Voloshin was the last time looked at the text of the agreement and discovered that, to put it mildly, he does Lukashenko, how shall I say? Full co-owner of Russia and the true victor in the presidential race . Then This text of the treaty was, of course, been corrected, but it is very important episode in the relations between Lukashenko and Russia because it was understood that the Union State never been to the dictator Lukashenko way to go to Russia, or even get away from it economic aid - economic aid it receives and so. Union State for Lukashenko was a tool of gaining power over the whole of Russia, Russia absorption instrument Lukashenko.
The second episode is to the beginning of 2004, when still prime minister Mikhail Kasyanov was. Lukashenko and Putin began another bout of controversy, Lukashenko has once again begun to express Political mat. President Putin wanted was already cut off the pipe, and Mikhail M. Kasyanov said a categorical "No". Explained why to do it impossible - not because of Lukashenko, it is clear that Lukashenko Kasyanov was no road, but due to the fact that Russia will appear as a result of an unreliable energy partner in the West. This was the last conversation between Putin and Kasyanov, the next day Kasyanov was dismissed.
I do not want to say that Kasyanov was dismissed only because - There was still a denunciation of Kasyanov's what he wants to seize power in Russia. Well, of course. Serves, there Nevzlin interests and so on. And apparently, the Zionist intelligence. But the point is that Kasyanov was then the man who opposed it. And since then, if you remember, every January our relationships with one or another country then to Ukraine, then Belarus, have become such gas wars. Since the latch and started to overlap. And doperekryvalis to the fact that the share of Gazprom in Europe gas balance has fallen from 31% to 16%. So we blocked off and tried to prove that we are a reliable gas supplier. Overlapped and were told that we have gas - it's our energy weapons. And, after all, Europe is believed that the gas - it is our energy weapon. And does not want to let our arms to him.
Well, this is the second episode. Third - I'd like to remember what happened when yet another, a few years later, tensions between Russia and Belarus, I am here on the "Echo" as a joke recalled that, in general, it is precisely due to the fact that every step of the conflict must be followed by even more stringent step. Well, if we cut off oil pipelines in Belarus, the next step - is to take one of Minsk Parachute Regiment.
My God, what happened! Apparently, it showed Lukashenko. Well, the Belarusian reaction does not bother me, I'm worried that the issue was dragged out there for discussion in the Duma: "How dare offend Latynina Lukashenko?" I repeat that I in this story terribly confused? I was confused power probelorusskogo lobby in Moscow. There are countries with which we are obviously hostile relations: none we did not Hamit except Lukashenko, well, except maybe North Korea and South Ossetia. But there is a lobby, which immediately starts telling me that we have a station in Vileika that we have a radar in Baranovichi, without that we can not, that we are brothers forever Lukashenko. This is a very interesting question, because we Kremlin been constantly concerned about the presence of some foreign spies. As for Western spies do not know. But here's a fact: there is a hostile relationship between Russia and Belarus. Obviously, when hostile relations should be military plans. Well, it «matter of fact», it's just a rule of public life. This does not mean that there is a war - should be military plans. And judging by everything, not just the military plans, but there are many military lobby, which opposed us to give us something threatening father.
is, you know, is very similar to the story of the Astrakhan Pedagogical Institute. Here I am afraid she was surprised when I heard that the Astrakhan Pedagogical Institute prepares us outstanding graduates Iranists with excellent knowledge of Farsi and with deep sympathy the ideas of world Islamic revolution, which then go to work in our embassy in the republic of Iran. And then let it looks strange when the state Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, that Iran can not create a strategic missiles. A few days after this statement, to which Robert Gates says that "if you report to your intelligence, thank you your intelligence." A few days after that statement rocket takes off.
That is about the Western spies, we are very worried. And then there are agents of influence, which are completely not Western, that from our dear friends. Although, I must say that in the case of Belarus is, probably, overcame a syndrome because the pay attention to one very interesting thing. Several years ago during a previous conflict between Russia and Belarus on all sides by our military experts also - this was the Minister of Defense Ivanov - started screaming that there is a radar station in Baranovichi, it is invaluable to the defense of Russia. And they began to shout, that there is a communication center with the Navy in Vileika, without which, here, just the Russian defense also failed.
This year, these last few weeks nor about Baranovichi, nor about Vileika one simply do not remember. Only, apparently, is whether these guys just cleaned out of the Defense Ministry, with what I just congratulate the Minister Defense Serdyukov, because it is obvious that the Russian military does not need to work on the Belarusian military, especially in the Belarusian president. T about whether they instilled the fear of God, and they were silent - no no Baranovichi nor Vileika.
Why the lobby as possible? I recall one episode involving the murder of several years ago, but apparently it was a murder, journalist Kommersant Ivan Safronov, a 51-year-old, which is the last thing he scout, was a deal to sell Russian P-300 systems to Iran. And went to such rumors that the C-300 should be delivered through Belarus. Translated into reality, this meant that we supply S-300 to Belarus on the inside price, ie $ 14 million - little thing. And in Iran it is sold at market price, ie $ 180 million. At the circle turned out somewhere in a billion, which leaves left. Here's consent, this billion Mr. Lukashenko could be sure that he will have a strong lobby among the Russian military and among Russian officials. And very glad that in the first place, and the deal will not break, that is, we now have very different mechanisms of supply Belarus weapons - we are, after all, they supply good, but the old weapons, uploading their own work of the same plants. We have very different mechanisms. Is the deal with Iran, it is bad or good, but it is not so Here are askew.
And, in short, little has changed military relationship, here is the undercurrent of our military relationship with Belarus. Still, of course, I can not remember the wonderful story that happened before Putin has ceased to be president. If you remember, he then traveled to Belarus to meet with President Lukashenko, brought with him all the Russian senior officials from Mironov to Gryzlov. And then there were persistent rumors that President Putin brought with him 2 options the union treaty, then there are 2 options market. One - well, just that they have signed, they signed up some credit once in Belarus. And another option - it is a union state, which would, respectively, the then President Vladimir Putin to stay quietly at the head of the union state.
Lukashenko did not even met with Putin at the airport. They drove to the residence of Lukashenko, sat there till morning. And the morning came and said: "You know, we discussed the loan. " Here are a few hours 2 President discussed the loan. In my opinion, this rudeness, in my opinion, this is certainly a very good policy Lukashenko unfortunately. Because we see that Russian politics is constantly loses Lukashenko for the same reason that Western policy is constantly Russia loses.
After all, the diplomatic advantage of Russia's relations with the West is that when you're dealing with civilized people, bullying goes unpunished. Just imagine it: sitting diplomat with civilized people, and suddenly climbs onto the table and say, makes a pile. And hide his eyes, said: "Well, let's go back to the discussion." And man, the diplomat returned because of this table in full confidence that the West is weak, the West rotten, that's before it can be a handful. And when you are leading negotiations with rogue states, then only you zalezesh on the table, you just start to unbutton his pants, how - once you back. That is, a bully can be no impunity for suckers only among the civilized, but not among tillage. And this is the secret to why we are again for Thus we lose the relationship with Mr Lukashenko.
And it is very important, I repeat, is that , the idea that Lukashenko was - to gain power over Russia. This clear that Lukashenko had, in fact, much better tactical data to get that power. He is indeed a dictator. He order. He may not be such a mess, as the abduction of her son Mikhail Stavsky, it may not be any Skolkovskoe highway, which ends a deadlock. If his son Defense crushed poor old woman, the son of Defense Minister and Minister of Defense would have broken the Nazi symbol. He has no Baikal, Gunvor - I did even suspect that he had just enough money, he is unselfish man , because he is interested in pure power form. And this power in its pure form is based on an alliance with the people against government officials.
Several Internet questions ...
I want to tell a few episodes of Lukashenko. The first dates back to the time Yeltsin, when Russia signed a treaty of alliance with him. The then head of the presidential administration, Voloshin was the last time looked at the text of the agreement and discovered that, to put it mildly, he does Lukashenko, how shall I say? Full co-owner of Russia and the true victor in the presidential race . Then This text of the treaty was, of course, been corrected, but it is very important episode in the relations between Lukashenko and Russia because it was understood that the Union State never been to the dictator Lukashenko way to go to Russia, or even get away from it economic aid - economic aid it receives and so. Union State for Lukashenko was a tool of gaining power over the whole of Russia, Russia absorption instrument Lukashenko.
The second episode is to the beginning of 2004, when still prime minister Mikhail Kasyanov was. Lukashenko and Putin began another bout of controversy, Lukashenko has once again begun to express Political mat. President Putin wanted was already cut off the pipe, and Mikhail M. Kasyanov said a categorical "No". Explained why to do it impossible - not because of Lukashenko, it is clear that Lukashenko Kasyanov was no road, but due to the fact that Russia will appear as a result of an unreliable energy partner in the West. This was the last conversation between Putin and Kasyanov, the next day Kasyanov was dismissed.
I do not want to say that Kasyanov was dismissed only because - There was still a denunciation of Kasyanov's what he wants to seize power in Russia. Well, of course. Serves, there Nevzlin interests and so on. And apparently, the Zionist intelligence. But the point is that Kasyanov was then the man who opposed it. And since then, if you remember, every January our relationships with one or another country then to Ukraine, then Belarus, have become such gas wars. Since the latch and started to overlap. And doperekryvalis to the fact that the share of Gazprom in Europe gas balance has fallen from 31% to 16%. So we blocked off and tried to prove that we are a reliable gas supplier. Overlapped and were told that we have gas - it's our energy weapons. And, after all, Europe is believed that the gas - it is our energy weapon. And does not want to let our arms to him.
Well, this is the second episode. Third - I'd like to remember what happened when yet another, a few years later, tensions between Russia and Belarus, I am here on the "Echo" as a joke recalled that, in general, it is precisely due to the fact that every step of the conflict must be followed by even more stringent step. Well, if we cut off oil pipelines in Belarus, the next step - is to take one of Minsk Parachute Regiment.
My God, what happened! Apparently, it showed Lukashenko. Well, the Belarusian reaction does not bother me, I'm worried that the issue was dragged out there for discussion in the Duma: "How dare offend Latynina Lukashenko?" I repeat that I in this story terribly confused? I was confused power probelorusskogo lobby in Moscow. There are countries with which we are obviously hostile relations: none we did not Hamit except Lukashenko, well, except maybe North Korea and South Ossetia. But there is a lobby, which immediately starts telling me that we have a station in Vileika that we have a radar in Baranovichi, without that we can not, that we are brothers forever Lukashenko. This is a very interesting question, because we Kremlin been constantly concerned about the presence of some foreign spies. As for Western spies do not know. But here's a fact: there is a hostile relationship between Russia and Belarus. Obviously, when hostile relations should be military plans. Well, it «matter of fact», it's just a rule of public life. This does not mean that there is a war - should be military plans. And judging by everything, not just the military plans, but there are many military lobby, which opposed us to give us something threatening father.
is, you know, is very similar to the story of the Astrakhan Pedagogical Institute. Here I am afraid she was surprised when I heard that the Astrakhan Pedagogical Institute prepares us outstanding graduates Iranists with excellent knowledge of Farsi and with deep sympathy the ideas of world Islamic revolution, which then go to work in our embassy in the republic of Iran. And then let it looks strange when the state Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, that Iran can not create a strategic missiles. A few days after this statement, to which Robert Gates says that "if you report to your intelligence, thank you your intelligence." A few days after that statement rocket takes off.
That is about the Western spies, we are very worried. And then there are agents of influence, which are completely not Western, that from our dear friends. Although, I must say that in the case of Belarus is, probably, overcame a syndrome because the pay attention to one very interesting thing. Several years ago during a previous conflict between Russia and Belarus on all sides by our military experts also - this was the Minister of Defense Ivanov - started screaming that there is a radar station in Baranovichi, it is invaluable to the defense of Russia. And they began to shout, that there is a communication center with the Navy in Vileika, without which, here, just the Russian defense also failed.
This year, these last few weeks nor about Baranovichi, nor about Vileika one simply do not remember. Only, apparently, is whether these guys just cleaned out of the Defense Ministry, with what I just congratulate the Minister Defense Serdyukov, because it is obvious that the Russian military does not need to work on the Belarusian military, especially in the Belarusian president. T about whether they instilled the fear of God, and they were silent - no no Baranovichi nor Vileika.
Why the lobby as possible? I recall one episode involving the murder of several years ago, but apparently it was a murder, journalist Kommersant Ivan Safronov, a 51-year-old, which is the last thing he scout, was a deal to sell Russian P-300 systems to Iran. And went to such rumors that the C-300 should be delivered through Belarus. Translated into reality, this meant that we supply S-300 to Belarus on the inside price, ie $ 14 million - little thing. And in Iran it is sold at market price, ie $ 180 million. At the circle turned out somewhere in a billion, which leaves left. Here's consent, this billion Mr. Lukashenko could be sure that he will have a strong lobby among the Russian military and among Russian officials. And very glad that in the first place, and the deal will not break, that is, we now have very different mechanisms of supply Belarus weapons - we are, after all, they supply good, but the old weapons, uploading their own work of the same plants. We have very different mechanisms. Is the deal with Iran, it is bad or good, but it is not so Here are askew.
And, in short, little has changed military relationship, here is the undercurrent of our military relationship with Belarus. Still, of course, I can not remember the wonderful story that happened before Putin has ceased to be president. If you remember, he then traveled to Belarus to meet with President Lukashenko, brought with him all the Russian senior officials from Mironov to Gryzlov. And then there were persistent rumors that President Putin brought with him 2 options the union treaty, then there are 2 options market. One - well, just that they have signed, they signed up some credit once in Belarus. And another option - it is a union state, which would, respectively, the then President Vladimir Putin to stay quietly at the head of the union state.
Lukashenko did not even met with Putin at the airport. They drove to the residence of Lukashenko, sat there till morning. And the morning came and said: "You know, we discussed the loan. " Here are a few hours 2 President discussed the loan. In my opinion, this rudeness, in my opinion, this is certainly a very good policy Lukashenko unfortunately. Because we see that Russian politics is constantly loses Lukashenko for the same reason that Western policy is constantly Russia loses.
After all, the diplomatic advantage of Russia's relations with the West is that when you're dealing with civilized people, bullying goes unpunished. Just imagine it: sitting diplomat with civilized people, and suddenly climbs onto the table and say, makes a pile. And hide his eyes, said: "Well, let's go back to the discussion." And man, the diplomat returned because of this table in full confidence that the West is weak, the West rotten, that's before it can be a handful. And when you are leading negotiations with rogue states, then only you zalezesh on the table, you just start to unbutton his pants, how - once you back. That is, a bully can be no impunity for suckers only among the civilized, but not among tillage. And this is the secret to why we are again for Thus we lose the relationship with Mr Lukashenko.
And it is very important, I repeat, is that , the idea that Lukashenko was - to gain power over Russia. This clear that Lukashenko had, in fact, much better tactical data to get that power. He is indeed a dictator. He order. He may not be such a mess, as the abduction of her son Mikhail Stavsky, it may not be any Skolkovskoe highway, which ends a deadlock. If his son Defense crushed poor old woman, the son of Defense Minister and Minister of Defense would have broken the Nazi symbol. He has no Baikal, Gunvor - I did even suspect that he had just enough money, he is unselfish man , because he is interested in pure power form. And this power in its pure form is based on an alliance with the people against government officials.
Several Internet questions ...
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questions to the reader. 1. Which of the two major modern State Historic RUSSIA you trust more: the Republic of Belarus or Russia? Option: South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, or, for example, Russian Classical philosophy?
2. Whose is the reserve for the public service consists mainly of ... perjured? (Ie those who swore an oath that the Soviet Union and broke).
3. Whose health (and technological) control over the milk and dairy products is more reliable and causes the greatest (maybe unconditional?) trust - Russia or Belarus?
4. ... The Russian gas which is geographically part of Russia is material wealth of the Russian people closer to ordinary people the most: in the Russian Federation or in the contemporary Belarus?
5. Are they right when the minister of agriculture of the Russian Federation and MP State Duma Ostrovsky that they actually gave us all to understand exactly the Republic of Belarus, are subsidizing their farmers, undermining thereby the economic interest "of the Russian agricultural producers? (That is, is the main enemy of the Russian peasantry, ...).
Михаил КАЗАРИН, бухгалтер из Перми.
June 22, 2009
PS . «Oh, Yulia Latynina ..." And how, I wonder, believe in this case, she?
